The bible and LGBTQ – Part 1

This is going to be part 1 of a three part blog entitled The bible and LGBTQ.  Part one will be the “Big verses” and the most widely used verses the supposedly directly mention homosexuality.  Part 2 will be verses that supposedly mention or have something to do with condemning homosexuality.  Part 3 will be my wrap-up and my personal thoughts on this subject matter!

Now remember, I personally don’t give a shit whether a person believes in the bible or not.  But the purpose of THIS blog is to answer these supposed condemning verses on homosexuality!  Ones that I even used myself once upon a time to spread my own bigotry and ignorance on the subject when I, too, was naïve like so many others!  Since this is seen as a religious issue, most people argue against LGBTQ rights from a “christian” worldview, the verses in question are from the “christian” religion, AND I’ve been down that same path of religious bigotry using the exact same “christian” arguments, it will be written from a “christian” mindset and with a “christian” worldview in mind.

OK…  Here it goes:

I’ve been hearing a lot of the same old tired verses that condemn homosexuality.  These verses have long since been answered and rejected for evidence that god is a bigot.  To keep things short-ish, I’m only going to post references and maybe give a basic over-view of the passages…  You’re a big boy/girl you can either look up the reference yourself, or since you’re reading this on the internet, you can quickly open a new tab, and google it!

The verses in Question are:
Genesis 19:1-25; Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-28; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; 1 Timothy 1:8-11; 2 Peter 2:6-10; Jude 7; and Judges 19:22-30 (I’m saving this one for last for a reason)

I’m no expert in History, Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, the bible, poetry, etc, etc.  I’m really not an expert in anything.  Nor have I ever claimed to be an expert in anything.  I AM, however, a firm believer that true wisdom comes from knowing that you know nothing!  What I do have an ability to do is critically think through things and then investigate things that are not logically sound.  I rely on people that have dedicated entire lives and careers to History, Languages, Philology, Theology, etc, etc.  I, being no expert in any way, MUST rely on EXPERTS that know as much as they are able to know about these things.  Only then can I make an informed decision on ANYTHING!

Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah

Let’s start at Genesis 19:1-25 – The Story of Sodom and Gomorrah
This is one of the major verses that people use to “prove” that god hates homosexuality.  This is actually a GROSS misinterpretation of this passage!  Ancient hospitality codes (especially the ones of the Hebrew people) stated that you MUST open your home to travelers and give them food, shelter, and protection.  Thus Lot did as his god commanded him to do… he was hospitable to the angels.  The people of the town came and demanded the angels come out so the people could have sex with them!  The towns people were angry, and pretty demanding about this!  (Yeah… sounds like they wanted to take them to dinner, wine and dine them, and make love by the fireside to me!  FUCK NO!!!  the townspeople wanted to RAPE the angels!  And not only rape, but GANG RAPE THE FUCK OUT OF THE ANGELS!!!)

So, now Lot offers up his daughters to the men that were just demanding to rape these men Lot was harboring… the daughters were accepted instead… hmm… sounds like Lot knew his neighbors were actually heterosexual, and since they accepted the daughters, kinda sounds like Lot was right, and the townspeople didn’t care who they fucked… Lot probably could have offered them his cow and they’d have accepted it!  So the people were innately heterosexual, but were wanting to gang rape men!  This was against their nature (remember this… it’s important for later in this blog)

Now, it is important to note here that the Hebrew word vadha or “to know” is used in many different ways in the bible.  In MOST cases it simply meant “to have thorough knowledge of” other times it meant “to check the credentials of.” Other places it meant “to have sex with.”  Some people actually argue that the people just wanted to meet and introduce themselves to the angels…
ROFLMFAO!  WOW!  This is absolutely ridiculous!  If you use logic to determine what is going on here, you realize there’s no way they’re just asking them out for a beer!

No, I definitely agree with the traditional idea that these people wanted to forcibly rape the angels.  Lot was compelled by the hospitality code to protect the angels from an act of extreme violence.  He was being VERY hospitable to his guests!  We all know that rape is a violent act.  Experts state that rape is about power, not about sex.  It’s about proving you are powerful enough and violent enough to take what you want!  This kind of rape was very common back then.  Kings did it, conquerors did it, many heterosexual men did it!  But they were heterosexuals going against their nature in order to cause harm to another human being.

Ezekiel 16:48-50 is VERY clear as to why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed.  According to Ezekiel, the sins of Sodom were pride, laziness, being inhospitable, neglecting the needs of the poor, greed, and idolatry (the worshipping of idols). Nothing about homosexuality is mentioned, nor is it mentioned in any other passage of Scripture which refers to the account of Sodom.

Sodom and Gomorrah was not about men in love with men and women in love with women engaging in monogamous relationships… it was about a depraved society that praised and actively involved the whole city in horrid sexual acts.  The same kind of shit that would get anyone locked up in jail these days!  NOT about homosexuality!

ABOMINATION!!!

The next most popular passages to use are what I like to call the abomination passages!
Leviticus 18:22 & Leviticus 20:13
These passages are very abused and misinterpreted.  This particular area in the Levitical law was laying out rituals for Holiness and cleanliness for Israel and its Priests.  Paul is VERY clear that “christians” are no longer bound by the law. (Galatians 3:22-25; Romans 7:6; 1 Timothy 1:9; Romans 6:14; Hebrews 8:1-13).
So why are “christians” so quick to jump back into the old law that was clearly done away with?  Because they are grasping at straws to use religion to back up their bigotry!  “christians” really like to cherry pick through the bible and pull out passages that back up their beliefs… when in reality if you read them in a TRUE context… they don’t!  Here is a list of other things “christians” don’t like to focus on from the same law that they pulled Leviticus 18:22 & Leviticus 20:13 from:

Sexual intercourse during a women’s menstrual cycle
Tattoos
Wearing certain types of jewelry
Eating certain kinds of meat
Wearing clothing made from blended textiles (cotton-polyester blends)
Cross-breeding livestock
Sowing a field with mixed seed
Eating or touching the dead flesh of pigs, rabbits, & some forms of seafood
Men cutting their hair or shaving their beards
Saturday being observed as the Sabbath
NO work at all to be done on the Sabbath
The Holiness Code also endorses polygamy
Having their children stoned
Killing in general for LOTS of fun reasons

These are just to mention a few… obviously there are FAR more in there.  So “christians” acknowledge that they don’t have to follow this old law, they also actually practice, eat, don’t follow many things on that list, and don’t follow most of the old law in general.  But when it comes to homosexuality, they LOOOVE running back to these verses and embracing the old law!!!  …well, not ALL of the old law… just the parts they like!

Individuals usually retort back to this with “those things are cultural… homosexuality is not!” ROFLMFAO!!! (Clearly these people are NOT familiar AT ALL with logic and reason!)

How can anyone state that the stuff in other chapters are dictated by society, but the chapters that mention homosexual sex is not dictated by society? It either ALL must stand true today, or all must change based on the society around us. If it all stands true, then we are all fucked. Most all clothing is blended, we work on the Sabbath, worship on Sunday, mix seeds all the time, practice birth control thereby wasting sperm and not reproducing, shave our faces, eat all the different types of edible meat, and seafood is a delight in America!

If you read the bible as it SHOULD be read, then you will notice books of pure poetry, books of songs, books of history, books lining out CUSTOMS and TRADITIONS, etc, etc, etc…  These books should be read as they were written to be read!  Saying that Leviticus was written to be a modern moral code for the 21st century, is like saying that 1 Timothy was written to be a book of Erotic Poetry!  But it’s NOT!  Song of Solomon is a book of erotic poetry.  1st Timothy was a letter written to Timothy from Paul.  Leviticus was a book of law, ritual, and ceremony for the nation of Israel.  NOT a book of moral code for the 21st century.  Yeah, the book does have a few good basics that can translate into our modern world, but you can’t switch writings to be something that they aren’t just to back up bigotry!  When you look at the bible in this kind of an exegetical manner, (not using personal bias) things in the bible become MUCH clearer!  But most “christians” practice eisegesis by having their idea, and searching the bible for little verses here and there to prove that god is on their side…  This is what ends up creating contradictions and theology that doesn’t quite seem to fit right with the message of Jesus… and therefore the message of god!  This is also why “christians” fought AGAINST movements such as the equal rights for women movement, and the end slavery movement!  Yeah!  “christians” lead the fight AGAINST women’s rights and black rights, and they had WAAAY more than 6 verses to back them up on those issues! (https://boggsism.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/lgbtq-the-modern-day-racism-and-sexism)  But fast forward to today, and the theology of women submitting is MUCH, MUCH different than the late 1800′s!  Society changed, so theology jumped right on board!  It has happened then, and continues to happen!

God gave them over!

The next MAJOR passage deals with Romans 1:24-28.  God gave someone over to their sinful desires and over to sexual impurity.  Who and why is “them” referring to?  The Gentiles were given over to their sinful ways because they rejected god.  Sexual impurity is talked about a lot here, but not homosexuality.

The Greek words that are used in this passage are physin and paraphysin.  People like to translate them as natural and unnatural, when in reality they don’t mean “to go against the laws of nature” as we would think of it in our modern idea, but the word was actually used as an action that was uncharacteristic for that individual.  Some people would now retort with the argument that I’m changing the real meaning of the words… I’m actually not!  That’s what “christians” have done over the years!  Changed the meaning of these words and other words throughout the bible.  The actual words are the same, yes, but the meanings associated with the words have changed over the years.  What we need to do, and what “christians” are SUPPOSED to do is focus on how the Greeks used and understood these words… NOT how modern day “christians” WANT to use and understand these words.  So it is important to remember here that I’m citing how the Greeks understood and used these words.  To say that paraphysin means “to go against the laws of nature” would be to say that Eros was the Greek word for Brotherly Love, or that Philos was the Greek word for unconditional love one has for another person.  In reality Eros is the Greek word for what we would call the feeling of love, Philos is the Greek word for Brotherly Love, and Agapeo is the word for unconditional love one has for another person.

In Romans 11:24 it talks about how Gentiles are a cut off olive branch that has now been grafted back onto the tree which is contrary to the nature cutting off an olive branch.  The word here is paraphysin.  Usually one wouldn’t cut off a branch just so they could put it back on…  that is against the person’s behavior that would normally fit them.  Not against natural law.

So what it appears is really going on in this passage is that it’s saying that the sexual perversion is that heterosexual men were burning with lust to have sex with other heterosexual men, and same thing with women.  So it’s unnatural for heterosexuals to live as homosexuals, and for homosexuals to live as heterosexuals.  (which sadly happens far too often these days because of religious bigotry!)

And before you say “oh that’s a bunch of bull… you are really stretching for this point!”
umm… remember when I told you to remember that part earlier… you know that part about Lot’s neighbors actually being heterosexual, and wanting to gang rape the angels anyway?  No? ok, I’ll remind you

So, now Lot offers up his daughters to the men that were just demanding to rape these men Lot was harboring… the daughters were accepted instead… hmm… sounds like Lot knew his neighbors were actually heterosexual, and since they accepted the daughters, kinda sounds like Lot was right, and the townspeople didn’t care who they fucked… Lot probably could have offered them his cow and they’d have accepted it!  So the people were innately heterosexual, but were wanting to gang rape men!  This was against their nature (remember this… it’s important for later in this blog)

Ok, now you remember right?  Ok… this is the perfect example for what Paul is talking about here in Romans as the paraphysin.

Men who have sex with men  +  those practicing homosexuality!
1 Corinthians 6:9-11& 1 Timothy 1:8-11

The words “men who have sex with other men” are translated from two greek words: malakee & arsenokeeteh.  The words “those practicing homosexuality” are translated from two greek words: malakee & arsenokeeteh.  See the pattern here?  The translator apparently didn’t…  same words, different translations.  The King James version translated malakee as effeminate and arsenokeeteh as abusers of themselves with mankind.  Hmm… that makes it sound a little bit different.  So what did these words actually mean to the Greeks, and thus to Paul?

Traditionally as well as elsewhere in the bible, malakee is used to refer to someone who lacks discipline or one who is morally weak.  And since, to the greeks, words weren’t quite as interchangeable as in our English language, we KNOW that these passages are simply mistranslated.  In fact, malakee was translated as lacking discipline/morally weak until 1946 when a sexual/homosexual connotation was given to the word and it became “sexual perverts” in the Revised Standard Edition.  Now, in our modern times it’s seen as “homosexual.”  Arsenokeeteh literally means “male-beds.”  This term is widely accepted as a word invented by Paul.  There are no records of any writer using it before Paul.  It is a VERY obscure word, and was used in different ways and to describe many different types of behaviors.  It was used to describe “people with infamous habits” as well as “child-molesters.”  If Paul was describing male homosexuality why did he choose an obscure word that no one but himself used; a word that he, himself, had used to describe several different behaviors?  Why would he invent a word when there were other Greek words for homosexual activity that were less ambiguous?  We have a lot of Greek homosexual erotic literature which has survived to this day, but none of it contains the word arsenokeeteh.

So what does arsenokeeteh mean then?  The thing is, this is a very highly debated word!  Nobody actually knows for certain. NOBODY.  Only Paul knows, and we can’t ask him!  Guess he should have used a more common Greek word to get his point across instead of making up one!

Arsenokoitai” is made up of two parts: “arsen” means “man“; “koitai” means “beds.”

Although the word in English Bibles is interpreted as referring to homosexuals, we can be fairly certain that this is not the meaning that Paul wanted to convey. If he had, he would have used the word “paiderasste.” That was the standard Greek term at the time for sexual activity between males. We can conclude that he probably meant something different than people who engaged in male-male adult sexual behavior.

We can only change how we view words now… we aren’t able to change how the word was understood by the Greeks and by Paul.  Which way would you rather read the words?  As Paul INTENDED to write them?  Or however you see fit?  I personally like to choose the writer over the reader!  Unfortunately, only Paul knows how he intended to use his made-up word.  It is our job to use context clues to ACCURATELY interpret Paul and his use of Greek words.  AGAIN, To say that arsenokeeteh means “homosexual” would be to say that Eros was the Greek word for Brotherly Love, or that Philos was the Greek word for unconditional love one has for another person.  In reality Eros is the Greek word for what we would call the feeling of love, Philos is the Greek word for Brotherly Love, and Agapeo is the word for unconditional love one has for another person.  You can’t change how the writer understood the words he used in order to back up your bigotry!

Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah
2 Peter 2:6-10; Jude 7

Wait a second!  Didn’t I already cover Sodom and Gomorrah?  Yeah I did!

See these two verses are merely recounting the story of Sodom and Gomorrah …  They’re just saying “Hey remember these guys… yeah… God didn’t like them, he destroyed the cities…  don’t turn into them”  And we are supposed to believe that he is only trying to say “Hey, don’t get gay!”

I raise the bullshit flag on this one!  The cities were renowned for worshiping and praising debauchery like rape, gang rapes, molesting children, etc, etc!  Shit was pretty out of control there…  it’s nothing like America trying to allow two men in love to say “I do!”  OH GOD THE HORROR… yeah, cause that’s the same as gang raping 12 year old boys right?

I’ve covered this… Sodom and Gomorrah was not about men in love with men and women in love with women engaging in monogamous relationships… it was about a depraved society that praised and actively involved the whole city in horrid sexual acts.  The same kind of shit that would get anyone locked up in jail these days!  NOT about homosexuality!

Judges 19:22-30

This was a new one that was brought to my attention today… NEVER heard anyone use this one to condemn homosexuals… I had to look it up!

Here’s the short version highlighting the main points of the story:
…  some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.” …  this man is my guest, don’t do this outrageous thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish.  …  So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight.  …  He said to her, “Get up; let’s go.” But there was no answer.

WOW… how anyone could get “gays are bad” out of that, I will never understand!  That story was CLEARLY about a fucking VIOLENT rape and MURDER!  What the fuck is wrong with people?

The part that I do find interesting is that the Levite priest is travelling with a CONCUBINE…  a Jewish holy man was travelling around with his own personal mistress.  A woman who he frequently had sex with, but was not married to… a common practice for religious individuals and a practice that was endorsed by the bible!  Some people even had multiple concubines!

The only thing I can think of here is that people grab onto the part where the man says “Don’t be so vile” or “don’t do this outrageous thing”  Clearly this dude knew they were planning on gang raping and violently harming the person that was supposed to be his guest…  He clearly was NOT talking about the fact that it was men asking for the man.  He was talking about the fact that they wanted to gang-rape a LEVITE priest who he promised to give shelter, food, and protection to!  Gee… kinda sounds a LITTLE familiar huh?  NO?  Let me give you a hint…

Sodom and Gomorrah!  But I’ve already touched on that one a little bit!

That’s my PART 1 to these verses… Stay tuned for PART 2

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