America THE Christian Nation!!!
I just want to shed some light on the moronic people out there that still believe that America was founded on Christianity.
AMERICA WAS NOT FOUNDED ON CHRISTIANITY!!! In fact MANY of our founding fathers were NOT Christians, did NOT believe in the deity of Jesus of Nazareth, and should be considered deists more than theists. Hell Thomas Jefferson even wrote his own version of the New Testament negating the deity of Jesus. Don’t believe me? Cool… investigate my claims for yourself! I believe his book is called “The faith and moral teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.”
One may argue “They may not have founded America on Christianity… but they definitely did found America on Christian principals!”
No, no, no… You see, most religions are founded on those exact same principals… they are principals that are, for the most part, common knowledge and common sense to most man-kind… so how are they specifically, inherently “Christian.” Why are “Christians” so concerned with laying claim to sooo many things these days? Christians lay claim on morality, Christians lay claim on America, Christians lay claim on Dates of the year, the human race in general, etc, etc, ad nauseum. But discussing this bullshit is for another blog on another day.
Here is a break-down of 5 of our founding fathers:
1. George Washington – The father of our country was nominally an Anglican but seemed more at home with Deism. Desists believe in God but don’t necessarily see him as active in human affairs. The god of the Deists was a god of first cause: He set things in motion and then stepped back. Washington saw religion as necessary for good moral behavior but didn’t necessarily accept all Christian dogma. He seemed to have a special gripe against communion and would usually leave services before it was offered. Washington was widely tolerant of other beliefs. He is the author of one of the great classics of religious liberty – the letter to Touro Synagogue (1790). In this letter, Washington assured America’s Jews that they would enjoy complete religious liberty in America; not mere toleration in an officially “Christian” nation. He outlines a vision of a multi-faith society where all are free.
2. John Adams – was a Unitarian, although he was raised a Congregationalist and never officially left that church. Adams rejected belief in the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus. In his personal writings, Adams makes it clear that he considered some Christian dogma to be incomprehensible. In February 1756, Adams wrote in his diary about a discussion he had had with a man named Major Greene. Greene was a devout Christian who sought to persuade Adams to adopt conservative Christian views. The two argued over the divinity of Jesus and the Trinity. Questioned on the matter of Jesus’ divinity, Greene fell back on an old standby: some matters of theology are too complex and mysterious for we puny humans to understand. Adams was not impressed. In his diary he wrote, “Thus mystery is made a convenient cover for absurdity.” As president, Adams signed the famous Treaty of Tripoli, which boldly stated, “[T]he government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion….”
3. Thomas Jefferson – As he once put it, “I am a sect by myself, as far as I know.” He did not believe in the Trinity, the virgin birth, the divinity of Jesus, the resurrection, original sin and other core Christian doctrines. He was hostile to many conservative Christian clerics, whom he believed had perverted the teachings of that faith. Jefferson once famously observed to Adams, “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” Jefferson admired Jesus as a moral teacher. In one of his most unusual acts, Jefferson edited the New Testament, cutting away the stories of miracles and divinity and leaving behind a very human Jesus, whose teachings Jefferson found “sublime.” He refused to issue proclamations calling for days of prayer and fasting, saying that such religious duties were no part of the chief executive’s job. His assertion that the First Amendment erects a “wall of separation between church and state” still rankles the Religious Right today.
4. James Madison – Madison was perhaps the strictest church-state separationist among the founders, taking stands that make the ACLU look like a bunch of pussies. He opposed government-paid chaplains in Congress and in the military. As president, Madison rejected a proposed census because it involved counting people by profession. For the government to count the clergy, Madison said, would violate the First Amendment. Madison, who wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, also opposed government-issued prayer proclamations. He issued a few during the War of 1812 at the insistence of Congress but later concluded that his actions had been unconstitutional.
5. Thomas Paine – was a radical Deist whose later work, The Age of Reason, still infuriates fundamentalists. In this, Paine attacked institutionalized religion and all of the major tenets of Christianity. He rejected prophecies and miracles and called on readers to embrace reason. The Bible, Paine asserted, can in no way be infallible. He called the god of the Old Testament “wicked” and the entire Bible “the pretended word of God.”
…So… yeah, these guys??? the one’s that crafted our founding documents… these guys??? They founded America on “Christian” principals, or the Christian religion? I think not!
Are you also going to argue that the same guys that wrote the First Amendment misinterpreted it, or misused it when citing it as their back-up for separation of Church and State? Preposterous… if you’re going to argue with the crafters of the document, then you are more arrogant, and just plain fucking stupid than I ever even gave you credit for!!! So YOU know the constitution and the amendments better the Authors?!? Ok… sure… please do the world a favor and kill yourself now!
Oh, and how about that whole Treaty with Tripoli thing I mentioned under John Adams? Well… this is actually still up for debate whether or not it actually has impact on church and state…
well here’s the ACTUAL quote from the ACTUAL Treaty:
“Article 11: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
Ok, let’s review that first line again? “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”
Sorry, I fucking missed that! What did it say again? “is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”
Disagree with me? Cool, I challenge everyone to question everything and everyone! Even me! Prove me wrong… but back up your arguments with empirical evidence, not “nuh-uh… my mommy told me…” Why don’t you open up your mind for a second and think that you MIGHT, MAYBE possibly, could be wrong… You DON’T have all the answers, and there are people out there that LIE to you… either intentionally or unintentionally… neither way matters… but there are falsities out there… have the balls enough to investigate for yourself
…and that my friends, is what is wrong with our world!
Interesting reads when you have the time AND an open enough mind. – http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html